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bootdocThu Sep-21-06 04:07 PM
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#2361, "installing kino"


          

Hi, I want to install the latest version of kino. Kubuntu does not yet have it in their repos. I ran ./configure and got no acceptable c compiler found in path. I am very new to installing from source. I know I have gcc-4.0 and gcc-4.0-base installed. how do I put it in PATH? Or should I move the source folder to where gcc is??

  

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RE: installing kino, bootdoc, Sep-21-06 05:13 PM, #1
      RE: installing kino, ddennedy, Sep-24-06 07:41 AM, #2
      RE: installing kino, tuxman1000, Sep-25-06 03:23 PM, #3
      RE: installing kino, ddennedy, Sep-27-06 09:15 PM, #4
           RE: installing kino, tuxman1000, Sep-29-06 06:41 PM, #5
                RE: installing kino, ddennedy, Sep-30-06 06:11 AM, #6
                     RE: installing kino, tuxman1000, Oct-16-06 07:10 PM, #7
                          RE: installing kino, ddennedy, Oct-18-06 07:35 AM, #8
                               RE: installing kino, tuxman1000, Oct-18-06 09:48 PM, #9
                                    RE: installing kino, ddennedy, Oct-24-06 09:48 PM, #10
      RE: installing kino, jlamb, Oct-10-09 11:40 PM, #11
           RE: installing kino, ddennedy, Oct-11-09 01:37 AM, #12

bootdocThu Sep-21-06 05:13 PM
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#2362, "RE: installing kino"
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Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 06:05 PM by bootdoc

          

OK, I figured out the gcc deal.
./configure CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0
worked but now another error.
checking for XML: arser... configure: error: XML: arser perl module is required for intltool
Charlie

Installed the perl module and ran ./configure again and got:

checking for LIBDV... configure: error: Package requirements (libdv >= 0.103) were not met:

No package 'libdv' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables LIBDV_CFLAGS
and LIBDV_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

charlie@legend:~/kino-0.9.2$ whereis libdv4
libdv4:

I know libdv4 is installed but can't find it. as you can see whereis doesn't tell me. I also tried whereis libdv and libdv-4 with no result.

Get same thing trying to configure libiec61883-1.0.0.

checking for libraw1394 >= 1.2.0... Package libraw1394 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libraw1394.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'libraw1394' found
configure: error: Library requirements (libraw1394 >= 1.2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
whereis libraw1394-5
libraw1394-5:

  

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ddennedySun Sep-24-06 07:41 AM
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#2367, "RE: installing kino"
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try running "export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig" before running configure.

+-DRD-+
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tuxman1000Mon Sep-25-06 03:23 PM
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#2372, "RE: installing kino"
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Dear Dan,

this is Tom from Germany. My friends an me all are running
Ubuntu Dapper Drake 6.06.1 and would like to install the Kino
0.9.2 tarball and have the same u.m. problems. I asked arround
in the ubuntu-forums, but there is nobody can solute the
problems

So, sorry for the question (and my bad english), but is it so
difficult to prepare installable Kino-0.9.2-packages for all
the wellknown distributions, so f.e. for Suse, RedHat, Fedora
(rpm), Debian and Ubuntu 6 (deb)?

Or, could it be possible to write some complete installing
instructions for each of the better know distributions, where
it is listened from where to get those working extra files,
Kino 0.9.2 needs to be run?

I read almost arround in the net for 10 or more hours, and
couldnt find a solution. All those files Kino 0.9.2 needs,
are not in the Ubuntu repos. I found them on other place,
installed these tarballs, but Kino was not able to work with.
I had checked the paths, everything was correct, but Kino
0.9.2 f.e did not find the libiec6x library, and refused to
work with the newer version of dv1394.

Sorry, but installing software must go easier. I know, that
you code Kino in your spare time, Dan, but please try to see
the situation of normal, non-coding users too. Most of us
cannot solute such problems!

Kino is a great piece of software, but its installation is a
horror - please help to make that easier.

The thing is, that we want to convince others to use Linux,
but when they see, how problematic it can be (must not, but
can) to install a video editor software, they raised their
heads and stay with Windows...

So please, Dan, make Kino 0.9.2 more comfortable.

Thank you in advance and
Best greets from Germany,
Tom
eMail: tuxman1000@yahoo.de

  

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ddennedyWed Sep-27-06 09:15 PM
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#2376, "RE: installing kino"
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Kino is much easier to install than most video editors for
Linux, and it is simple for quite a few others who are not
even developers. I have even strived to keep it simple by
rejecting some features that would add new dependencies and
making many features have purely optional dependencies. For
people like yourself, you must wait for the distribution to
update the package. That is the simple solution. Fortunately,
kino is quite popular, and distros update rather quickly.

Howver, I can offer you one tip of advice on a kino 0.9.2
build change that I made to coerce people towards libiec61883
and away from the usability and support problems of dv1394.
libiec61883 is not required, but now I require an explicit
configure option to not require libiec61883: --with-dv1394.
There are no external dependencies for dv1394 other than the
kernel itself for which you can use as old as 2.4.20.
However, other 1394 libs are still required where the distro
packages should be sufficient.

Also, you might not want 0.9.2 because we just found a bug in
the revised SMIL project file format that affects many locales
that use comma as the decimal point including Deutschland.
0.9.3 will be out shortly.

+-DRD-+
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tuxman1000Fri Sep-29-06 06:41 PM
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#2379, "RE: installing kino"
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Hi Dan,

thx for your answer.

>Kino is much easier to install than most video editors
for
>Linux, and it is simple for quite a few others who are
not
>even developers. I have even strived to keep it simple by
>rejecting some features that would add new dependencies
and
>making many features have purely optional dependencies.
For
>people like yourself, you must wait for the distribution
to
>update the package. That is the simple solution.
Fortunately,
>kino is quite popular, and distros update rather quickly.

Ubuntu Edgy or 6.10 will only update the version 0.9.0 of
Kino. Ubuntu Dapper (6.0.6.1) seems to stay on the
0.8.0-1ubuntu of Kino. But this does not matter, I am able to
install from the tarball.

I had installed 0.9.2, but it asked for libiec61883 as same
as for dv1394 in the newest version. Both were not in Ubuntu
reps, so I installed them from tarballs I found.

Problem was: libiec61883 did not worked, Kino 0.9.2 didnt saw
it during configure. So, I removed libiec61883, the new dv1394
and the 0.9.2 and installed Kino 0.8.1 again. Everything was
ok, Kino 0.8.1 from tarball worked and recognized the camera
and took video from it to my harddisk.

So I tried Kino 0.9.2 again with the option --with-dv1394.
Configure and make and checkinstall worked fine.

But: Kino 0.9.2. could not find the regular Ubuntu-dv1394 and
also not my camera. Actually I am back to Kino 0.8.1, wich
still workes.

Any idea to solute this, Dan?

>Also, you might not want 0.9.2 because we just found a
bug in
>the revised SMIL project file format that affects many
locales
>that use comma as the decimal point including
Deutschland.
>0.9.3 will be out shortly.

Great, thank you. Thing is, I would like to get the 0.9.2
working to try it out and show my friends, that it works. 

So, another question by this: most of my friends do not
speak/read English. Is there a chance for a complete german
manual for newest Kino in the nearly future?

Myself I wrote manuals in the past, but I do not know
anything about video, sound and homemade movies.

If there would be somebody here in Germany, who knows about
all video things and could support me, I would be really glad
to give my part to release that german manual. 

I would like to do this, because Kino really is a very fine
piece of software, but without knowledge about video stuff
_and_ without knowing how to work with Kino its hard to
convinced others to move from Windows to (Ubuntu-) Linux and
use Kino.

Beeing honest, Dan, I understand an english manual, but
really do not know how to use Kino...

Sorry for my bad English.

Greetings from Deutschland :-)
Tom

  

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ddennedySat Sep-30-06 06:11 AM
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#2381, "RE: installing kino"
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libiec61883 replaces the need for dv1394. If you built with
libiec61883, then the only thing preventing you from using it
is permission to read and write /dev/raw1394. The default
permissions to this file on many distros, Ubuntu included,
are read/write only for root for security reasons. You can
change the permission via 'sudo chmod 0666 /dev/raw1394' or
run kino with sudo. As part of linux1394 team, I am working
now to address the security issue so distros can start
letting users have read/write by default.

The permission/security issue of /dev/raw1394 affects
usability, but dv1394 has usability issues as well especially
if you have more than one IEEE 1394 adapter.

As for manual translations and improvements, this is
scheduled to arrive the release after the next one. I have
been working on the plan and have already started setting it
up. The approach I am taking is to have a TWiki on kinodv.org
with a sub-wiki for each language. Twiki has good support for
i18n internationalisation as well as an embedded rich text
editor. I have some more work to do on templates and skin
before opening it up. TWiki has a plugin to generate static
HTML, which I will use to update the online manual for each
release.

+-DRD-+
Lead Kino Developer

  

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tuxman1000Mon Oct-16-06 07:10 PM
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#2408, "RE: installing kino"
In response to Reply #6
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 07:11 PM by tuxman1000

          

Dear Dan,

sorry beeing late, but today I had the time to try out your
advices.

As far as I understood, Kino 0.9.2 depends on libiec61883
version 1.10, wich depends on libraw1394 version 1.21. Is
that correct?

Problem is, that installing libraw1394 vers. 1.2.1 does not
replace the elder libraw-version, wich is installed in my
Ubuntu Dapper Drake.

So how can I install libraw1394 vers. 1.2.1 replacing the
elder Ubuntu-version of it?

And how can I check, that an installed libraw1394 vers. 1.2.1
is working properly in my Ubuntu Linux?

I am sorry, but IMHO the readmes and manuals are not
complete, because explanining such questions is not included.

Therefore could you (or somebody else who knows how to do)
please give me and all other readers in this forum a complete
installation advice for the following steps:

1.
installing libraw1394 vers. 1.2.1 in Ubuntu Linux Dapper
Drake replacing existing elder version including a test to
check whether the new libraw1394 is working properly

2.
installing libiec61883 vers. 1.10 in Ubuntu Linux Dapper
Drake in correspondence to previously installed libraw1394
vers. 1.2.1 including a test, that libiec61883 vers. 1.1.0
and libraw1394 vers. 1.2.1 are both working properly and this
libiec61883 does see/find/recognize this libraw1394

3.
installing Kino 0.9.2 in correspondence to libiec61883, so
that after installing, Kino 0.9.2 finds the IEEE1394 port an
the connected videocamera


I am sorry for any inconvenience, Dan, but actually I do not
see a solution for the u.m. problems and I really would like
to get run Kino 0.9.2.

Sorry for my bad English.

Greetings from Deutschland,
Tom
tuxman1000@yahoo.de

  

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ddennedyWed Oct-18-06 07:35 AM
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#2411, "RE: installing kino"
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There are a few approaches. One way is to remove the Ubuntu
libraw1394 package and everything that it depends upon. I am
running Ubuntu on a laptop here, and on my system that means
the following must be removed:
  banshee deskbar-applet dvdrip ffmpeg gnome-media
gstreamer0.10-plugins-good kino kinoplus libavc1394-0
libdc1394-13 libmjpegtools0c2a libquicktime0 libraw1394-5
listen mjpegtools pitivi python-gnome2-desktop
python2.4-gnome2-desktop rhythmbox rhythmbox-dbg serpentine
sound-juicer transcode ubuntu-desktop vlc vlc-plugin-alsa
vlc-plugin-arts vlc-plugin-esd wxvlc

As you can see, it is a lot, and I'm not ready to give up
some of them. Now, libraries are versioned and the libraw1394
version the package uses installs as
/usr/lib/libraw1394.5.2.0. The newest version (release
version numbers are different numbers than lib versions)
installs as /usr/lib/libraw1394.8.1.1. This means both
versions can coexist.

The second approach is to create a new libraw1394 debian
package, but I don't know how to make debian packages and I'm
too lazy to learn it. But this new package could be installed
in parallel with libraw1394-5.

The third approach--the lazy approach--is to just compile the
tarball and install it outside of packaging. Since the default
prefix that custom built software uses is /usr/local, at least
the files will be separate from the those of the package.

First, prepare the development environment:

sudo apt-get install g++ make
sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev libglade2-dev libxv-dev
sudo apt-get install libdv-dev libsamplerate-dev

Then, libraw1394:

wget http://www.linux1394.org/dl/libraw1394-1.2.1.tar.gz
tar -xzf libraw1394-1.2.1.tar.gz
cd libraw1394-1.2.1
./configure
make
tools/testlibraw
(~30 lines from the test if successful)
(if failure, you might need:
sudo modprobe raw1394
sudo chmod 666 /dev/raw1394
)
sudo make install

Next, libiec61883:

wget http://www.linux1394.org/dl/libiec61883-1.1.0.tar.gz
tar -xzf libiec61883-1.1.0.tar.gz
cd libiec61883-1.1.0
./configure
make
examples/plugreport
(shows information about connected devices)
(ignore messages like "libiec61883 error: error reading
oMPR" that just means the device such as your ohci1394
adapter does not have certain registers, which is normal
because it is not a DV device
)
sudo make install

Now, you need to build and install libavc1394 over the
package because the package version will try to load
libraw1394.0.5.2, and libiec61883 will try to load
libraw1394.8.1.1 thereby creating conflict:

wget \
http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/libavc1394/libavc1394-0.5.3.tar.gz
tar -xzf libavc1394-0.5.3.tar.gz
cd libavc1394-0.5.3
./configure
make
test/romreport
(displays info about devices on the 1394 bus)
sudo make install

Finally, kino:

wget \
http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/kino/kino-0.9.2.tar.gz
./configure
make
sudo make install
(you must install kino to run it!)
kino


I prepared and tested this entire procedure from a fairly new
and clean Ubuntu install that has Automatix apps, but no prior
development packages. I hope it works for you; please follow
closely!

+-DRD-+
Lead Kino Developer

  

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tuxman1000Wed Oct-18-06 09:48 PM
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#2412, "RE: installing kino"
In response to Reply #8


          

Hi Dan,

thanks a lot for your u.m. installing advices - they had
worked and Kino0.9.2 runs on my machine properly and records
movies from a digicam without any problems.

Two more questions, if you dont mind:

1.
Would it be ok for you, if I take your explanation, translate
it into german language and put it in german Ubuntu forums -
by telling the people, that this is your text? Would that be
ok?

2.
Are there any german manuals, german hints & tricks or
other informations in german language how to use Kino, so,
how to work with it? If so, where can I find them?

This is, what lots of german linux-users, who do not
speak/read English are searching for - and there are lots of
germans do not speak English...

I would like to collect these german informations about Kino
and would like to set them as links into the german Ubuntu
forums - would that be ok for you and those, who wrote the
german texts?

I dont want to to make money o.s.e with that, I am just
interested in helping the non-english-speakers here a little
to get Kino run (and myself I'm interested to read about Kino
in german too...)

Greetings from Germany,
Tom
tuxman1000@yahoo.de
(this email does not work properly at the moment, because the
yahoo eMail servers are fooling arround actually a little, so
please answer here)

  

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ddennedyTue Oct-24-06 09:48 PM
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#2418, "RE: installing kino"
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Yes, please feel free to translate that explanation.

I am working on support for translating the
manual/online-help. I was looking to a wiki, but then I
wanted something more standard like docbook in case I decided
to integrate the desktop environment online help utility. As a
result, I found docbook-wiki!
http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/

This is installed on my server now, and I am still fixing
some things that are broken. I plan to make this available by
November 30.

+-DRD-+
Lead Kino Developer

  

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#3597, "RE: installing kino"
In response to Reply #1


          

>OK, I figured out the gcc deal.
>./configure CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0
>worked but now another error.
>checking for XML: arser... configure: error: XML: arser perl
>module is required for intltool
>Charlie
>
>Installed the perl module and ran ./configure again and got:
>
>checking for LIBDV... configure: error: Package requirements
> libdv >= 0.103) were not met:
>
>No package 'libdv' found
>
>Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if
>you
>installed software in a non-standard prefix.
>
>Alternatively, you may set the environment variables
>LIBDV_CFLAGS
>and LIBDV_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
>See the pkg-config man page for more details.
>
>charlie@legend:~/kino-0.9.2$ whereis libdv4
>libdv4:
>
>I know libdv4 is installed but can't find it. as you can see
>whereis doesn't tell me. I also tried whereis libdv and
>libdv-4 with no result.
>
>Get same thing trying to configure libiec61883-1.0.0.
>
>checking for libraw1394 >= 1.2.0... Package libraw1394 was not
>found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add
>the directory containing `libraw1394.pc' to the
>PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'libraw1394'
>found
>configure: error: Library requirements (libraw1394 >= 1.2.0)
>not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment
>variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so
>pkg-config can find them.
>whereis libraw1394-5
>libraw1394-5:
>
>
I am having the same problem with "Error writing to KINO/MJPEG audio filter - aborting". I am a big-time nubie and not all that good with code unless I am just copy/pasting it from a fix online. I cannot make sense of this fix. It was recommended from another forum link and now that I am hear I do not understand how to fix the problem. Can Somebody break this down into simpler step by step format with the code I need to cut/paste easy to identify, PLEASE! The above quote is still way to confusing for me. Thanks.

  

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ddennedySun Oct-11-09 01:37 AM
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#3598, "RE: installing kino"
In response to Reply #11


          

First, you should avoid using the "YUV Deinterlace Film-like" option. It seems only a very few versions of yuvdeinterlace supported that.

Next, open a terminal window, and enter 'where mpeg2enc mp2enc' to verify that you have these utilites that Kino requires. If not, you need to install 'mjegtools' package from your distribution. If you do have them use your package manager to lookup your version of mjpegtools and report it here.

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